fiscal cliff, economic meltdown, all not necessary if there were more women. those were the female members of the 113th congress on why the women in the senate could get the budget deal done. yes, they could. when the new congress is sworn in, there will be a record-breaking 20 female senators in office. and joining us now -- you agree with me, right? >> our world's over, mike. actually, we compromise. >> yeah. after you break everything. >> and the way we compromised was, we decided not to bring donny deutsch on to talk about being a penn grad. >> that's true. that's a black eye on the legacy of the institution. i'm so sorry. >> went to wharton. >> joining us now, the president of the university of pennsylvania, amy gutmann, the co-author of the book "the spirit of compromise: why governing demands it and campaigning undermines it." i wonder if there's no better example than right now. >> yeah. we're in the midst of the perfect storm and the only solution to it is compromise. and for once, compromise isn't a dirty word in washington these days because they re